tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post3911848113174929889..comments2023-11-05T03:31:19.545-08:00Comments on Sideline Views: Streaming sillyA.C.http://www.blogger.com/profile/03617669285297119500noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-11958497773943955982008-05-06T20:37:00.000-07:002008-05-06T20:37:00.000-07:00I have to agree with the majority. No matter what...I have to agree with the majority. No matter what the sport you should not be allowed to throw objects on the field while play is in session. If you want to throw streamers after a goal then so be it. Even as a Galaxy fan I'm not crazy about how they shoot off confetti after goals because the confetti always gets on the field. <BR/><BR/>I watch the BPL/EPL (whatever you want to call it) and you NEVER see streamers thrown on the field. <BR/><BR/>BTW, throwing streamers at your own goalkeeper has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Then again this is the same group that picks fights with their own fans just because they're part of a different supporters group. But that's another topic for another day. ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-79131991674536035192008-05-06T20:08:00.000-07:002008-05-06T20:08:00.000-07:00bottom line, nothing should ever be allowed to be ...bottom line, nothing should ever be allowed to be thrown on the field. anyone that thinks things should be allowed to be thown is kidding themselves that someone cant get hurt. i realize the chance is low, but how would you feel if your star player sustained an eye injury and missed the season? and to say that can't happen, yes it can. the chance is low, but it can happen. additionally, how many times have you seen your teams goalie interfered with by la legion timeing their throws to interfere with the stopping of a shot? that is just wrong period.<BR/>DMHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-19503750148794781542008-05-06T15:09:00.000-07:002008-05-06T15:09:00.000-07:00Honestly, though, if a team is looking to steal a ...Honestly, though, if a team is looking to steal a road point in a tied game, and is taking a nice long time with a corner kick (conveniently using the streamers as an excuse), I'm not sure it's such an advantage for the home team. Jason Kreis was grousing to the media recently about not being granted the full 70 seconds left in stoppage time to go for the winning goal. <BR/>TFC fans cost their team more than that amount of time by holding up play on corner kicks. In those cases, I'm not sure their actions benefit their squad at all.A.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03617669285297119500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-33399560432031394252008-05-06T10:37:00.000-07:002008-05-06T10:37:00.000-07:00The argument that it's ok to throw streamers durin...The argument that it's ok to throw streamers during corners is fine because the game is stopped anyway is a very poor one. Corners are a vital part of the game, and lead to scoring opportunities, by physically interfering with the set piece play the fans are creating an unfair advantage for their team. Could you imagine if fans started throwing in streamers at NBA players during in-bound passes? The game is stopped at that point as well, so should it be ok? Do you think the players and the league would be ok with that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-84353990365845731362008-05-06T05:57:00.000-07:002008-05-06T05:57:00.000-07:00Evidently, a lot of us will have to agree to disag...Evidently, a lot of us will have to agree to disagree on this issue.A.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03617669285297119500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-55335020428137693212008-05-06T05:45:00.000-07:002008-05-06T05:45:00.000-07:00You are comparing running with scissors and stream...You are comparing running with scissors and streamers. That is really messed up. I am a purist as well. I don't see anything wrong with it. There are greater issues (turf field, playing on freaking American Football Fields, some attendance issues for certain teams, etc). The streamers are not hurting anyone and it adds to the atmosphere of the game. I know many people that like it (who are casual fans)...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-59354387811742214152008-05-06T04:10:00.000-07:002008-05-06T04:10:00.000-07:00Oh, yeah, papa bear reminded me of an important di...Oh, yeah, papa bear reminded me of an important distinction. I do love streamers to decorate the stands. I've lived in Argentina before, and though a streamer would sometimes break off and drift across the field, that wasn't the intention - they certainly weren't tossed right at players at specific times, either.A.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03617669285297119500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-52778816162416490602008-05-06T02:24:00.000-07:002008-05-06T02:24:00.000-07:00FC Uptown: you're arguments are ridiculous. Did yo...FC Uptown: you're arguments are ridiculous. Did you have to stab yourself in the chest before you stopped running with scissors? C'mon already. <BR/>Also, the NY vs. TFC match sucked. I mean it really sucked. The streamers only added to the further suckage. It causes a big lull in the game and doesn't nothing to the other team as they will just sit there and not take the corner until the crap is cleared and I think we both know that the full amount of stoppage time won't be added. With TFC often playing from behind it makes little sense. <BR/><BR/>Also, mark my words, as soon as these games start meaning more, some one will go down with a real or phantom injury from something wrapped up in the streamer roll. <BR/><BR/>One final note, those who keep pointing out Boca laying out streamers, show me one video during the run of play of them tossing those streamers on the field. Tossing streamers in pre-game, before the second half and after the game are great. Holding up the game so you can put on your color guard routine just sucks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-39523687684347064992008-05-05T23:56:00.000-07:002008-05-05T23:56:00.000-07:00I'm against streamers because it interferes with t...I'm against streamers because it interferes with the game. I guess that's OK on corner kicks according to you guys. But I like to see the pitch clear of all foreign objects. Remember what happened with Man City and the balloon? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-4AKL_YGAw<BR/><BR/>And when Guzan or Hartman are getting streamers thrown on them during the run of play it changes the outcome. Even if the other team doesn't score, it changes how the keepers react to the situation. I say ban all streamers from the field. If you want to have them in the stands, that's fine, but not on the field.CACuzcatlanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07615153839993436859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-26250081626342427592008-05-05T23:18:00.000-07:002008-05-05T23:18:00.000-07:00It's fine with me if others ignore potential injur...It's fine with me if others ignore potential injury possibilities. I have to admit that I didn't think about that aspect of it until Hartman pointed that out to me. Once he did, it made sense. <BR/>A lot of things that seem like <A HREF="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2006/09/15/marshmallow-death.html" REL="nofollow">harmless fun</A> can turn out differently.A.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03617669285297119500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-37917950488693919202008-05-05T23:13:00.000-07:002008-05-05T23:13:00.000-07:00I didn't like the streamers last year, and said so...I didn't like the streamers last year, and said so, when TFC had little home field advantage to speak of. <BR/>I've very clearly said that I watch soccer to see soccer, not to see party paper hold up a game. <BR/>I have not had a single person who watched TFC matches with me tell me they were impressed with the streamers on corners. In fact, many have told me the opposite, though they complimented chants and songs.<BR/>At least one player with River/Boca experience doesn't care for streamers - asking his own fans to stop - From Bernardo Fallas' blog on the Crew/Dynamo game:<BR/>"Barros-Schelotto pleads with the Crew fans to stop the streamer madness on a Dynamo corner kick. Brad Davis just took the ball and walked away from the area. Crew fans seemed to have been inspired by their Toronto friends."A.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03617669285297119500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-1092561765927126712008-05-05T22:43:00.000-07:002008-05-05T22:43:00.000-07:00“You mention the run of play being interupted. Did...“You mention the run of play being interupted. Did that hamper your enjoyment of the TFC-NY game? I would argue that most fans enjoyed watching the energy of the fans and did not notice any few seconds of delay.” To be honest, it did bother me a bit. Not so much as to call for an all out ban of streamers, but it was annoying. Once the mess was cleaned up, a second wave of streamers came down. Seriously, is that necessary? I love the streamers being thrown in celebration of a goal, but to distract the players in the run of play is horrible. I want to say bush league, but other “more prominent” leagues around the world do it, so I don’t see that argument. <BR/><BR/>What MLS should do is give the referees the authority to stop play if a mass amount of streamers are being tossed during the run of play. In Hartman’s case, the ref should have stopped the game DURING Chivas’ attack to clear the streamers. The fans would have bitched and moaned, but it’s their fault. If the refs have to continuously have to stop the game to clean up a mess, the fans will regulate themselves or the team would intervene if it ruined the momentum or disallowed a goal or two. If it’s a corner kick for an opposing team, such as Claudio Reyna in Toronto, the ref should stop the game, and add time on the clock after the 90. There is no need for the league to call for an all out ban on streamers, that would be bush league. Besides, its not like it happens at every game in every city. <BR/><BR/>As for the slippery slope argument of “possible injuries” its really absurd. I agree with FC Uptown on this one, there is no evidence of this being career threatening anywhere in the world, in any sport. And seriously, if this is MLS’s biggest concern, they have not been paying attention to the refs and the field turf games. Streamers are (or should be) lowest on the totem pole of issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-49359256580377822812008-05-05T21:18:00.000-07:002008-05-05T21:18:00.000-07:00The basic argument that streamers injure players i...The basic argument that streamers injure players is not backed up by any evidence in the past 13 years of MLS play, hundreds of games, and thousands of players in dozens of stadiums in many very hostile environments. Show me the evidence where a streamer from a fan injured a single player and then I can reconsider the argument here. But without any evidence of a single case of injury, there isn't much of a case for a league wide banning streamers for being unsafe. <BR/><BR/>You mention the run of play being interupted. Did that hamper your enjoyment of the TFC-NY game? I would argue that most fans enjoyed watching the energy of the fans and did not notice any few seconds of delay. <BR/><BR/>I think much of this is just sour grapes regarding Toronto and their homefield advantage.<BR/><BR/>If you want to complain about a league wide health and safety issue, take one look at artificial turf. Those injuries are quantifiable and real.Mister Zerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14321721667225737445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-39256350170858387442008-05-05T21:15:00.000-07:002008-05-05T21:15:00.000-07:00The we shouldn't ban them b/c others will think we...The we shouldn't ban them b/c others will think we are whimps is not my argument at all. Its just such a minor issue that few players have complained about. Your complaint is actually more about your enjoyment of the game not about player safety thats just your justification. Next poeple will complain about player celebrations being butch league or slowing the game. Many people have a problem with that sort of thing in the NFL and NBA. But players enjoy it and so do many fans. Lets ban things that are real problems not because of ones preferences. Throwong streamers on corner kicks and goals are not really stopping the run of play since both are basicly stoppegies in the first place. <BR/><BR/>I would much rather see MLS ban games in 96 plus weather. As I'm much more afraid of an MLS dieing from heat exhausation then someone tripping on some loose flimsy paper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-56929923030706107312008-05-05T20:55:00.000-07:002008-05-05T20:55:00.000-07:00I also think it's a strange argument - "We shouldn...I also think it's a strange argument - "We shouldn't ban streamers due to potential injury because other sports will think we're wimps." combined with "We don't care what other sports do, and that they respect the run of their sport's play more than we do."A.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03617669285297119500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-10387141606303796802008-05-05T20:52:00.000-07:002008-05-05T20:52:00.000-07:00FC, I'd ban them for both reasons. I think it's si...FC, I'd ban them for both reasons. I think it's silly to say that we have to wait for an actual injury when the potential is clearly there. And, like my Hartman example, some players have in fact pointed that out.A.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03617669285297119500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-88860024770743848882008-05-05T19:43:00.000-07:002008-05-05T19:43:00.000-07:00I support the players. If the players are having ...I support the players. If the players are having a problem with this then I don't have a problem with it. But slippy slope argumentes are a low blow here. Unitl people start doing worst fearing more dangerous objects is just unfair. You are just against because you don't like and are trying to use whatever you can find to justify it being banned. Trying to stop low risk of injury streamers is just a silly way to confirm to the other American sports. Sit down, be quiet, and an enjoy a beer with family. I don't care if people see it as "bush league" we shouldn't live our lifes by what other think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-64675571623135234092008-05-05T19:31:00.000-07:002008-05-05T19:31:00.000-07:00AC, no players have gotten hurt from streamers. N...AC, no players have gotten hurt from streamers. Not one. If I'm wrong on this, please correct me. Even if you banned streamers for being unsafe (despite evidence to the contrary), a fan could still throw his plastic beer bottle and still hit a player. A streamer rule isn't going to change that. So what is the point of a streamer ban if it would have no effect on the potential danger you refer to?<BR/><BR/>Now if you don't like streamers because they delay the game, well, yes they do. Ban them for that reason.Mister Zerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14321721667225737445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-52176140415305032532008-05-05T19:15:00.000-07:002008-05-05T19:15:00.000-07:00I meant Toja, not Toya.I meant Toja, not Toya.A.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03617669285297119500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-26364515799874050592008-05-05T19:13:00.000-07:002008-05-05T19:13:00.000-07:00I thought the seat cushion incident was bad, and t...I thought the seat cushion incident was bad, and the fact that MLS management didn't come down harder on the fans for that probably set the current precedent. Fire players specifically mentioned that those cushions hurt, too.<BR/>Fans have been banned from stadiums and their teams have played in front of empty stands because of racial insults, which technically don't harm players physically. <BR/>Do you want Toya to step on a streamer coil and wrench his knee in a fall before you'll even recognize the potential danger? Yes, I've seen stadium security at TFC clear out the unrolled streamers, but if the run of play happens in that corner immediately after, there's no time to clear. <BR/>Why is is such a big deal to you or any TFC fan to fight for this aspect, either? Are they such weak supporters that eliminating this one behavior would ruin the fan experience for them and drive them from the game? They don't actually come to watch the match - they come to throw streamers? The other stuff is cool - keep doing that, but keep junk that could hurt players off the field. I guess I'm a purist, but I consider the pitch a little sacred and think it should be treated as such.A.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03617669285297119500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-43475560555697855132008-05-05T18:42:00.000-07:002008-05-05T18:42:00.000-07:00Yeah, I love that everybody at TFC games is so ent...Yeah, I love that everybody at TFC games is so enthusiastic, so I hate to harsh on the buzz. But I agree with AC. Throwing streamers interferes with the game physically and slows the game down needlessly, and the unrolled streamers create at least a potential hazard.<BR/><BR/>My sense is that the league doesn't want to alienate TFC fans, so I think the best thing to do would be to have the club--maybe even the players--ask the fans to stop. MLS can make it official policy after that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-4562436396009277712008-05-05T18:17:00.000-07:002008-05-05T18:17:00.000-07:00It's astonishing to me that there are people who t...It's astonishing to me that there are people who think it's OK to throw some things onto the field merely because they are less dangerous to the players than other things that might be thrown at them.<BR/><BR/>There is no justification for any fan ever to interfere with play. And to interfere with an opponent's play is precisely the reason why fans throw streamers. <BR/><BR/>Anyone throwing a streamer should be ejected by stadium security personnel. Throwing a bottle (or anything else more substantial than a streamer) is plainly an assault and should be treated by the police as such. And if the fans participating in such behavior are too numerous to make ejection or arrest a meaningful solution, rather than risk injury to the players, the referee should either abandon the game or forfeit the game (if the home team has plainly abdicated its crowd-control responsibilities).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-54831261836539793672008-05-05T17:19:00.000-07:002008-05-05T17:19:00.000-07:00AC, has there been anyone injured in Toronto becau...AC, has there been anyone injured in Toronto because of streamers? Is security not on top of this issue in Toronto or other MLS stadiums? Have you seen the danger of streamers first hand in Toronto? Why is Toronto so guilty all of a sudden? The rules prohibit bottles from being thrown in all MLS stadiums just like the other leagues, and when bottles are thrown, people are arrested and kicked out. The law should be followed and enforced with no exceptions. Do you not think stadium security has strong enough rules? HDC has admitted having some challenges in this area and has been working on fixing them, successfully, from what I've read. I have not heard similar tales out of Toronto. At this point, I don't see a reason for additional rules for Toronto or the rest of the league. I do see a need for more stringent security at HDC and more knowledge about soccer fans for security at all stadiums. I also don't sense an overwhelming fear of streamers coming from the players - in fact most relate the opposite opinion and like the partisan crowd. Rules are there to be followed, and security needs to be allowed to do their job. I guess I don't understand what you are arguing - a ban of all streamers and confetti? Just streamers? What would you have done when Toronto fans launched the seat cushions? Kicked out the whole stadium?Mister Zerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14321721667225737445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-49410349586551119692008-05-05T16:40:00.000-07:002008-05-05T16:40:00.000-07:00Boca and River fans have been known to be physical...Boca and River fans have been known to be physically violent with each other, too. There's a reason why there are fences around the field of play in those stadiums. Do you want that in MLS? <BR/>Just because TFC fans are in general great doesn't make everything they do something good.A.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03617669285297119500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5437561489188679737.post-77037991052163955602008-05-05T15:56:00.000-07:002008-05-05T15:56:00.000-07:00Streamers "bush league"?? You mean like when Rive...Streamers "bush league"?? You mean like when River and Boca play? (Btw, how anybody can rip Toronto fans is truly unbelievable...)<BR/><BR/>http://www.footballingworld.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/riverboca2.JPGMister Zerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14321721667225737445noreply@blogger.com